reblogged from showntheway


“[T]he believer in the inspiration of the Bible is compelled to declare that there was a time when slavery was right—when men could buy, and women could sell, their babes. He is compelled to insist that there was a time when polygamy was the highest form of virtue; when wars of extermination were waged with the sword of mercy; when religious toleration was a crime, and when death was the just penalty for having expressed an honest thought. He must maintain that Jehovah is just as bad now as he was four thousand years ago, or that he was just as good then as he is now, but that human conditions have so changed that slavery, polygamy, religious persecutions, and wars of conquest are now perfectly devilish. Once they were right—once they were commanded by God himself; now, they are prohibited. There has been such a change in the conditions of man that, at the present time, the devil is in favor of slavery, polygamy, religious persecution, and wars of conquest. That is to say, the devil entertains the same opinion to-day that Jehovah held four thousand years ago, but in the meantime Jehovah has remained exactly the same—changeless and incapable of change.”

— Robert G. Ingersoll - from The Christian Religion

So, I am asking as a Christian, where in the Bible does it talk about women selling there babies, and polygamy and all these evil acts were condoned? (and not taken poorly out of context?)  If you’re going to make a statement about God, it would be helpful for you to show everyone where your information comes from, as appose to using a mans quote as Truth. 

I would also like to say though, that I do appreciate you and the other Atheists who reblogged this post.  and by that I mean, that you give yourself and name and an identity when you post your doubts about God, not just anonymously message someone regarding them.  Thank for seeking Truth, and I pray you find it the ONLY person who claimed to be Truth; Jesus Christ.

God Bless!

I’m sorry if I’m the first person to break it to you but unless you have never read much of the Hebrew Bible you call the Old Testament these actions should not come as a surprise to you. Exodus 21:1-11 gives explicit instructions for keeping Jewish slaves who are normally only to be kept for six years but the passage gives more than a hint of how to trick them into becoming permanent slaves and a few verse later there are rules given on how severely such a slave could be beaten. Leviticus 25:44-46 makes it very clear that you can have non-Jewish slaves which remain slaves permanently and whom you can pass down to your children as property. Exodus 22:20 explicitly says those who sacrifice to other gods shall be “utterly destroyed,” Numbers 25:1-9 shows an example of this and Deuteronomy 13:6-10 tells you to stone your own family to death if they try to convert you to a different religion other than Judaism. As for killing people for thought crime well you can see the above mention of having a different religion or you can take Exodus 21:17 or Leviticus 24:16 which are for cursing one’s parents and for blasphemy respectively. This is all part of the law from which the ten commandments arose and I am certain none of it is out of context because I’ve read it all myself multiple times and heard many explanations for why it’s there. As with all of the actions above genocide is constant in the OT but during the conquest of Canaan under Joshua alone dozens towns and cities are named as being completely destroyed including killing ever single man, woman and child, taking their cattle and gold and often then burning the town to ashes. Here are two examples:

They utterly destroyed everything in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox and sheep and donkey, with the edge of the sword. - Joshua 6:21

Thus Joshua struck all the land, the hill country and the Negev and the lowland and the slopes and all their kings. He left no survivor, but he utterly destroyed all who breathed, just as the LORD, the God of Israel, had commanded.- Joshua 10:40

This is to say nothing of the deaths attributed to Moses, Samuel or any of the other leaders of the Israelites who frequently did the same in the OT. With regard to polygamy Jacob, Solomon, Gideon and many more I could list all had multiple wives and often times also had female sex slaves. There are many reasons I didn’t list all but the fact that these behaviors were endorsed by Yahweh in the OT is widely known, including by Christians (that’s why Ingersoll made the statement) is of most importance. I’m also not in the business of listing sources for every single word of every quote I post both because that’s inefficient and I am careful in what I post so that I know the words are a misrepresentation of what a religious group believes.

This is also not “a statement about god,” it’s a statement about the Bible and Christians, neither entity is considered god by Christianity at large (unless of course in your belief system one or both are). Moreover I know you likely mean well but it is very condescending to claim atheists need your god to define ourselves. Despite what your experience seeing anonymous messages from atheists on Tumblr may lead you to believe I assure you we don’t. And I accept your compliment for seeking the truth, I honestly try, but if you care about seeking the truth I will at least tell you Jesus is hardly the only person to claim to be the truth as there are dozens of documented people just from that area and time period like Appolloinus of Tyana. Lastly I’ll say if you’ve never honestly considered if you are wrong and studied the positions of those who don’t agree with you in their own words then only think you are seeking the truth.